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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 2, 2008 12:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: we done good, and sometimes bad

yes and no, Earl.

You make an excellent point about the spineless democrats. They rolled over to Bush like dogs begging for scraps, and did the same w/Reagan. (I'm looking at you, Hillary). They cared more about their elections than standing up to the war in '03, then cried about it later when it all went to hell. No sympathy there.

But I just don't buy the whole "less is more" philosophy. You must have SOME regulation, otherwise it's putting the Foxes (Ken Lays of the world) in charge of the hen house.

Plus, if I'm gonna elect some clown to a six-figure salary job, with all manner of perks and privileges (free health care among them), I expect him or her to do a good deal of fucking work while they're on the job...not just wear a nice suit, go to local ribbon cutttings, collect a paycheck and take money from lobbyists.

Government service is public service, and while I agree spending like a drunken sailor (I'm looking at you, Bush) is no way to go, thinking and acting on new ways of IMPROVING civic life for all of us--keeping roads and bridges in good condition, keeping the air and water clean, etc., is important and I want them to WORK to make it so.

Also, you may not personally feel the effects of the Patriot act, but the taxi driver who was mistaken for a terrorist, held without charges, then beaten and killed.....well, he would probably argue differently if he could (See "Taxi to the Dark Side" or read the book "The Dark Side" for the sickening details of his and other cases similar).

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 2, 2008 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: we done good, and sometimes bad

I think it abundantly clear that though the pure ideal of "free market" might be grand, as the pure ideal of socialism might as well, the current situation requires regulation of various sorts; we simply have no way out of that being the case given we have "gub-er-mint" (as Ronnie would have said) doing as much as it does public service wise...we have all sorts of regulations for the common good; the surprising thing is that with respect to the market, we keep going back and forth and not learning from our mistakes (what transactions HAVE to be regulated for the greater good, and which do not, etc., etc.).

Alrighty, we could go on all day; I will say I am looking forward to the clowns tonight, Mr Earl!

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Oct 2, 2008 1:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: we done good, and sometimes bad

I'm gonna turn the sound down and pretend she's in a Van Halen video.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 2, 2008 1:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: we done good, and sometimes bad

another way of putting it:

In Capitalism, man exploits man.
In Socialism, it's exactly the opposite.